RHONY S3, E10 Mean Girls Middle Age Edition

In The Real Housewives of New York Season 3, Episode 10, Leap Before You Look, Alex is still dealing with the consequences of her awkward message delivery and has three separate conversations about how she didn't handle it well.  The tensions escalate during the entire episode until Alex finally confronts Jill at a cocktail party and delivers the unforgettable, yet awkward, mean girl in high school speech.  This will further fracture the group right before the cast trip, and I'm here to break down every second of the actions.

Timestamps:

• 1:30 Luann and Sonja's cocktail party
• 08:00 Jill's perspective
• 10:50 Bethenny leaves for LA
• 12:44 Gotham Magazine party
• 16:35 Luann and the girls talk about their experience after divorce
• 19:30 Four Seasons dinner
• 20:40 Jennifer Gilbert's cocktail party
• 24:30 Alex ruins the party

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Transcript

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Welcome to Obsessed by Everything Bravo, the show where we're going back to the beginning of the Real Housewives franchise and watching every season in chronological order. Think of it as an anthropological study in housewives behavior. Thank you so much for joining me. Let's dive in. Okay, so a quick word before we get started. I just want to say thank you all so much for listening these past couple months and making this show and being able to rewatch all my favorite women on TV and people that come up to me and talk about it. and enjoy it and the discourse that I've got. It's really enjoyable to me. So I just want to say thank you to my audience. I really, really, really appreciate the downloads and the lessons. And I just have a quick ask of you. If you really love the show and love what I do, I just want you to go to the app that you're listening to and leave me a review and I'll rating that would really really help me get this podcast out into other people's feeds it helps the podcasting algorithm gods to decide hey people actually like this they like listening to it let's push this out into other people's feeds so if you just could take a quick moment before we get started to do that I would really appreciate it again thank you so much for listening Okay, welcome back. We are getting into episode 11 of season 3 of Real Housewives of New York City. And this episode is titled Housewives Overboard. No one goes overboard, unfortunately. So we open up with Ramona picking up Sonia for the trip. So this is the trip that Ramona, it's like the bachelorette weekend that Ramona had planned. that she wanted Sonia and Jill to come on. And so she's picking up Sonia at her townhouse. And Sonia said in the car, she tells Ramona she's so happy to have a friend like Ramona because she knows that this is going to be a first class trip. So before we get into the trip, you must know that almost exclusively Bravo is paying for these trips. So they're paying for everything. And This is like the first real trip that we go on where we're like needing a passport. We've got, you know, they've done other stuff. And New York, you know, they had the Hamptons where they had second, you know, where it was like summertime, whatever. And then in the OC that they've taken some trips in California. But this is like the first actual real housewife trip. Now, the trips are so great because... We're in another place, and the housewives are all stuck with each other for four to five days. They, like, can't leave unless there's, like, a medical emergency. And so a lot of things happen. This trip will take place over three episodes. A lot of trips take place over three episodes. Typically, it is... towards the end sometimes we end a whole season on a trip that just happened with um Salt Lake City and it typically is like your climax or penultimate episode um before then we just like wrap up everything for the season and um Having everybody all together where they can't leave is like a great place to, A, have a lot of drama, but B, be able to work through things because there's really nowhere else for them to go. And, you know, you can, everybody can tell that we're kind of wrapping things up. So why not just work through the issues so we can just move on? The other thing is that there's a lot of alcohol on these trips. And so everybody's always hammered. But like I said, Bravo pays for the trip. Now the trips are always contrived in such a way that someone is hosting. So obviously this one, Ramona is hosting because she, you know, this is like her bachelorette party. They'll, you know, they'll make a What's my milestone birthday? This is my boyfriend is from Ireland. Let's go to see his hometown. You know, last year I visited Spain and I really loved it. Let's go to Spain. That kind of thing. So sometimes it makes sense. Sometimes it's just contrived. But they'll always have someone who's hosting. And so typically... you know, back in the day, like at this time, you know, if you were naive like me, you might think, hey, Ramona's paying for all this. Ramona's not paying for anything. Ramona might have picked the stuff, but I don't, maybe, probably more like a Bravo person would picked it because they could film they had agreement to film and so that's where you get a lot of like stuff where it's like commercials that we have to sit through because Bravo's getting you know a deal on wherever they are like the Merv Griffin estate where we had to sit through like a little three minute commercial or that they'll specifically show where they say like Adrian Maloof owns hotels in Vegas and so whenever they go there we'll see the presidential suite and stuff like that. So yes, Bravo's paying for this. Bravo's providing the experiences. Bravo's providing the food. Bravo's providing the alcohol. Um, sometimes the girls will plan like a specific event. Like if it is for something specific that they'll want to see, they plan that. Or if it's like a restaurant that they know someone will plan that, but it's typically all Bravo. So just to get that out of the way. And I just say that because I'm the type of person that takes whatever these people say, like at total face value, where if they tell me they paid for it and planned it, I'm going to be like, okay. But yes, I just want to have just a full transparency. Ramona is not paying for any of this. So let's jump back in the car with Ramona and Sonia. So they're driving to the airport. Now we didn't get a packing montage, which, you know, I love a packing montage. So I was a little upset about that, but it's fine. Anyway, Okay. Then she says that part of her is happy that Jill isn't coming because her and Luanne are buzzkills. So we all know the real reason why Jill is not coming. It's because she doesn't want to be with Bethany and Alex. And so that's also how we found out that Luanne's not coming. But we don't really ever know why. I think it's pretty obvious to the audience that if Jill was not going to go, Luanne was not going to go. Now, is this a good choice to not go on the cast trip? No. Now, like in nowadays times, no, it's not a good choice to not go on the cast trip. Sometimes I say stuff and I'm like, I don't know if it's necessarily true, but I'm going to say this and say, I don't think that it's allowed. I don't know if it's necessarily true that it's not allowed, but it would just be... An antithesis to why you're on the show. You're on the show to get screen time. So if you're not going on the cast trip, you're not getting the screen time. You're not in the middle of the drama. You're not having the conversations. You know, you're not in the mix. So it's weird to me that they're not going. Again, though, this is like the first real cast trip. So, you know, things were different back then. We follow Louie Ann, who goes into the studio. She's meeting a producer named Chris Young. He says the name of the studio. I didn't catch it. I don't care. But he does say that this studio is the most important in Manhattan. And he also names several people who see him there frequently, recording music in this studio. So many commercials. I swear to God. This guy also is some... you can kind of tell that he is part music producer, part flim flam man. Like, you know what I'm saying? And he's got a look like he looks like De Niro in Taxi Cab. Is that the movie where he's like, you're looking at me? Because he's got like this long coat. He's got a short mohawk and he's wearing like aviator sunglasses indoors the whole time. He seems friendly, whatever. So we learned last episode or the episode before that, that Luanne is making a song. So this is the guy who kind of put that idea in her head and is also making her dreams come true. And we find out that actually she came up with the lyrics for her song. They're by just taking direct quotes out of her book. So one of them is, money can't buy you class and elegance is learned. And so, yeah, I would actually, encourage you to look that up on any music platform that you can because it is a banger but this is she's recording some lyrics for this and he basically says yeah I can take anything and make it into a song which is you know what's interesting about this is he actually compliments Luann's voice and you know basically he's like well she's not trained, you know, but her raw voice sounds good. And then we have Joe. Remember so long ago when Joe met with a music, a real music producer in LA and they were basically like, you need to practice. And then when Kim met with a real music producer and they, Dallas Austin, do we all remember that? And he was like, I'm going to send you to a singing coach. And she was like, you have to change literally everything about your life and devote your life to singing if you want to improve at all. But then she met with Candy and he also was like, I can take anything and I'll make it a banger. And they did. That's exactly what this guy did as well. So yeah, but Money Can't Buy You class is top tier. It's Better than tardy for the party, that's for sure. Okay, so the other women land in the Virgin Islands. So it's everybody minus Luanne and Jill. And not Jennifer. I don't know. Friend ofs don't that often go on cast trips. Sometimes they do. So Bethany says that she just buried her father. And she's pregnant and emotional. And she thought going on vacation might help her relax a little bit. Also, this is her job. This is part of her job, showing up to this vacation. To me, it makes total sense why Bethany was there. Why wouldn't she be there? She didn't have a great relationship with her father. The last time we saw her, before he had even passed away, she had pretty much... worked through her issues so I don't see any reason why she wouldn't go like it doesn't make any sense to me I just say that because it's going to come up later um they're driving in the car and they're all kind of eating snacks and someone offers Kelly a snack and she's like oh I don't eat processed food as she's eating gummy bears and Bethany's like well that's a high fructose corn syrup that you're eating right now and she's like yeah but that's fun Okay. So you do eat processed foods. Like just to be clear, you do eat processed foods. And then Ramona makes it like this big surprise because they pull up for, you know, they're like, oh, what do you see? And all this stuff. And then they pull up at a dock and they're like, our dock? Anyway, they're going on a yacht. And so... It's a really beautiful yacht. They all get bedrooms. If only Below Deck were a thing at this point, then we might be able to get some on Downton Abbey where it's the top people and the bottom people. We could have got some info through there. But unfortunately, Below Deck wasn't a thing yet. But... Sonia is so pleased and she says, this is everything I was accustomed to. And then Ramona's like, Jill's going to be at home eating crow, which I love. Like her only thing is just like making Jill feel stupid. Okay. Um, so they're all kind of like unpacking in the yacht and then they're in like the living room and Ramona has her suitcase out and she's like making all the girls sit and watch her take out all of her bathing suits and like show them off and everything. Now you have to remember, so this is Ramona's event. So she gets to be the center of attention because this is her thing and she loves it. Um, so then fast forward a little bit and they're all sitting down to eat lunch. They're And they're all, but they're all like dressed like in swimwear, like they're either getting ready to go swimming or they just went swimming, but they're having like a really beautifully prepared lunch. And then, but they're taking a really long time to refill Ramona's wine. So Bethany goes, you know, I think I saw some grapes in the fridge. I can stomp on them for you if you want, like as a joke, like obviously, whatever. Obviously, that is the process of making wine, but that wouldn't automatically make wine. And Kelly goes, ew, I'm eating those later. I just bring that up to say Bethany and Kelly are already not getting along, and they're just, like, picking at each other. Like, picking at each other, picking at each other. So then Ramona wants to bring up the stuff with Jill, which there's only been, like, a couple of Jill comments. But Kelly's like, guys, I don't want to talk bad about anybody. And Ramona's like... Look. I need to talk about this. Because Bethany hasn't heard any of this stuff. And so she tells Bethany about how Jill was mad. That Ramona knew that Bethany's dad had passed away. But then Kelly butts in. And she's like trying to defend Jill. And my thought is like... Okay. She's putting herself in the same position that Alex just put herself in. Like... You got to know your surroundings. The other four women, well, minus Sonya. Sonya doesn't have a dog in the fight. But the other three women are not getting along with Jill right now. So why would you be Jill's defender? Like, you know, if it was me, I'd stay out of it. You know what I'm saying? Kelly and Jill are not that close. So I don't know why I would make things worse for myself by... you know, getting in the middle of all this stuff. And honestly, I feel like if Jill wanted to defend herself against all these things that were happening, Jill should have been on the trip. She was invited. Ramona wanted her there. The reason Ramona's mad at her right now and talking bad about her is because Jill didn't go on the trip. So she should be there. Like, you don't need to stick your, like... Not stick your nose in it, but you don't need to sacrifice yourself for Jill because she's literally hanging you out to dry at this point. Or she could have called Bethany at any time. I doubt Bethany blocked her. She could have called her any time in the last couple of months. This is like October now, and we're talking about two, three, four months. She could have called her at any time to talk about this stuff, and she didn't. She shut her out because she wants to be in control, and she wants to be the top dog of Roni. Don't sacrifice yourself for someone who's not willing to protect you. And also, obviously that shit didn't work for Alex. Like, you were there for all that. So, just, I don't know. Whatever. I just feel like... I feel like Kelly is making things, we're starting off on a foot, on the foot where Kelly is making things bad for herself. She's setting up this environment where everybody is going to be antagonistic with Kelly and it's going to cause her to spiral. So her and Ramona are arguing back and forth and Bethany is just like in the middle between them and she's just like looking like she wants to sink and like into the couch cushions and she's starting to be upset because they're arguing about Jill being upset about her father's passing like such a weird thing and Bethany just says you know Jill is upset that she ruined a friendship and What she wanted was for herself to be the first person I called about all the stuff that's going on in my life, my marriage, my baby, my father passing. And she isn't, and that's why she's upset. That's why Jill is mad. And then Alex pipes in, and she starts talking about the text Jill sent about, oh, did you hear about Bethany's dad? And she said it bugged her. And then Kelly's like, well, she didn't. She didn't take it like that because I remember this was a group text that Jill sent out to everybody. And Kelly says she didn't take it like that. And then Ramona goes, well, that's because you don't actually know her. Like you just, you just, you know, you just started being friends with her. And then Kelly's like, I don't care about all that because I'm a normal person. And while you guys are sitting around cycle analyzing her moves, I'm just going to be a normal person. And then I was like, oh, Kelly is not going to like this podcast. Because what am I doing other than sitting around cycle analyzing all these people's actions? So then Kelly's told Alex, she's like, well, you delivered a message that was out of control. So Bethany pipes up and she starts defending Alex. And she's like, look, Alex put up with a lot. And it just kind of blurted out that wasn't really the intention that she was making. And then Kelly just goes... well, you guys are making lemonade out of lemons, and I don't care. It's crazy. It's gross. And they're all like, well, lemonade is made out of lemons. That means you're making... I don't know why I write some of these things down, but sometimes this stuff gets so serious, and then they say wacky stuff, and it just makes me laugh. But Ramona says, and I think... This kind of hits the nail on the head. Ramona says, but it's about everybody's feelings. And Kelly rolls her eyes and says, she's not the sorority bitchy. Excuse me, girl. And then she goes into this thing that is kind of famous. She's like, you guys have a good time. I'm going to be in my la-la land with cartwheels and people being genuine and kind, and you guys can have your banter and vile behavior. And then she tries to go into the cabin, but she can't open the door, so she has to just stand there and wait for one of the servers to open the door, waitresses or whatever. And then that's that. So essentially, just to take a step back, They're all wanting... Or not they all. Because Sonya specifically says that she was just sitting there and she was not interested in bashing Jill. She just wanted to stay out of it. Okay. The other three, they're wanting to get their frustrations out about Jill. Kelly is not having it. She wants to get her two cents in about Jill because now she's decided she's going to be loyal to Jill for no reason because Jill really hasn't been loyal to her. You know... And, you know, the only thing that's going to come out of this situation is Kelly feeling isolated. And it gets worse from here. So after that, she, you know, there's some time that passes. And then Kelly comes back and hangs out as if nothing happened. And she eats a dessert. But you can tell it's become awkward. So they have a day. They're, you know, in the... Caribbean they're snorkeling they're swimming we don't really see much of that that's fine and then they're getting ready everybody's getting ready for dinner and then they're gonna have a night activities so Bethany and Alex are hanging out on the deck and they're just like chatting while all the other ladies are getting ready and Bethany is opening up about her dad and that she's glad she came on the trip because You know, it's really like what she needed. And she's like, I'm glad I came on the trip, even with Kelly being here. And then Alex just goes, what was that? And then they both just like are laughing hysterically about Kelly's behavior at lunch that day because they are just like, I don't know what's happening. And Bethany said, it was a gift from Jesus to make me laugh. What I've been so sad lately. And so that's that. Now, the next scene is Luann going out with that guy, Court. And it is so cringe. I literally had to turn my body away from my television. He is constantly trying to kiss her. He's so gross to me. And the other thing is... Remember when, I don't know what episode it was, but when she was meeting Jill in Central Park and she rode up on the rickshaw and Jill thought that was hilarious. And Luann was talking about a man that she met that she liked and his first name was J. And he spoke French. Well, I know that that is her longtime boyfriend, Jacques. He is French. And that they start dating. I mean, they're already dating. So why is she bringing this guy on here? And in my mind, this guy was the one that helped her get her record deal. So in my mind, I was like, oh, that makes sense. Like when I saw him, I was like, oh, that's that music producer. No, the music producer is a taxi driver looking guy. So this guy... I don't know. It bugs me. He keeps trying to kiss her and she is definitely like, she'll be like, no, but yeah, I don't want to talk about it anymore. Okay. So now we go back to the yacht and it's time for dinner. And Ramona has made a seating chart, which is specifically to separate Bethany and Kelly, which I don't think it was Bethany and Kelly really getting into it. It's, it was Ramona and Kelly, but, But it's very clear that there is tension. And dinner seems to go well because we don't see a minute of that. But we do go to after dinner. So first of all, Ramona is hammered. Let's just start with that. And she has discovered that the yacht in the slip next to them is owned by some Hooters owners. Now, I will just point this out. Hooters are a franchise. So it's not like this person owns all the Hooters. This guy probably owns... He probably owns multiple Hooters. But anyway, he's on a yacht with Hooters, people that own Hooters, with women who work at Hooters. And that is... Ramona made a beeline over there once she found out about it. But everybody else is currently hanging out. I think actually Ramona takes... Alex. She's like just trying to get somebody to go over there to the Hooters yacht. So at some point they kind of get up and leave. And Ramona's back and forth. And so they're all in the like living room of the yacht. And Kelly gets everybody's shots. And everybody's talking. And Bethany just kind of opens up about her dad. And you know she's talking to Sonia who is new to the group. So she's kind of giving her the rundown of You know, what life was like growing up with her dad and how she felt abandoned. You know, the whole story. We've heard it. And, you know, the whole time Kelly is sitting there and she's giving just platitudes. You know, the exact things that you really don't want to give. And she's just like, well, you just have to appreciate him for the person that he was. And so Bethany's like... I have to appreciate him for being a horrible person who told me on his deathbed that he had a full life without me in it. I have to appreciate that. And then Kelly's like, well, you know, that's a pretty common story. Like, it's just so weird. Like, just keep your fucking mouth shut. You know what I mean? Is what I would say. But she just feels the need to have something to say. I don't know. And It just really seems like, you know, Bethany's here and she's at this like, you know, she's experiencing a lot of change in her life. And so she's kind of been on this emotional journey and she's just kind of getting to the end of processing all that. And so she's like in a very different place. And Kelly is very much like wanting to slap a bandaid over it so everything can just be, you know, gummy bears and cartwheels. But that's just not how everybody processes information or emotion, you know? And so it's like, again, like they're living on different planes of existence because Bethany is here in one place and Kelly is just here in another place. The thing that is just like so weird is... Kelly is very much like Jill in the fact that it's her way or it's no way. Like, she just can't understand that other people have different thoughts, experiences, ideas about stuff. You know what I mean? And I know people in my life like that, like, where they just don't get it that other people think a different way than them. And it just seems so odd. Whereas, like... I come to things that I realize everybody, everybody thinks differently about every, everything. You know what I mean? You can have 10 people have the same experience and they all have 10 thoughts, different thoughts about it. That's just how people are. We're all different. And even, you know, even if you're a twin, you still might have, you know, everybody's different. Kelly doesn't think that way. She thinks that everybody should just, you know, think the way that she does and like, let's not, dwell on things, I guess. And so that's where she's coming from. The problem with that is you can't, you know, like when you're talking about the, you know, okay. The problem with that is that's fine when you're talking about inconsequential, inconsequential topics. When you're talking about death, grief, a lifetime of grief, like a lifetime of wanting your father to be there and he just wasn't because he doesn't like you or he doesn't like your mom or whatever the thing was. You can't slap a bandaid on that. You know what I mean? That takes years of therapy to get through. And so it just makes Kelly seem callous. Okay. Okay. Here's where Ramona shows up and she wants everybody to go to the yacht next door. So she takes Alex and goes to the yacht. At some point, they're talking about the topic of sex, and they're trying to encourage Kelly to have a one-night stand. And she says, oh, I'm not the type of person to have a one-night stand. I only want to have sex with one person. Like, if I'm going to be dating someone, I'm only going to be having sex with that one person. And Sonia is like, oh, no wonder she's so uptight. Right? But so then they're all, you know, talking about, well, it's pretty normal to have one night stands. And they're all kind of like, well, I had a one night stand. I had a one night stand. And then Bethany is like, well, all those Hooters girls over there, they have one night stands. Which actually, Bethany, that's rude.

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But then there's also like so many conversations that are happening right now. It's actually hard to keep track of what's going on because like everybody is hammered. And Bethany even makes a point to say that Ramona is hammered and she's had like her 48th Pinot Grigio by this time. So Ramona wants to go out. She goes over to the yacht. And then they are– they keep encouraging Kelly to have a one-night stand, but she's like super uncomfortable with it. And then she starts basically slut-shaming everybody else like in– better word. Anyway, she's shaming everybody else. And then Sonia, she starts saying that she's very self-conscious since her divorce and that she's obviously not over it. Again, this is a theme. This is her theme. And Kelly comes in and saying like, I just don't know why we all can't be happy with all the, we live amazing lives. Why can't we just be happy with the lives that we have? Like, babe, just let people be sad. It's okay. Sad is also an emotion that people can have. And then Sonia tells her, you know, you don't actually handle emotions very well, which yes, thank you, Sonia. Um, And she's just like, you're not somebody that can handle other people's emotions. And then Kelly says, feelings are like so 1979. And I'm blown away. Because that's not the last time that 1979 comes up. It will come up on the next episode. Which I already watched. Sorry. I couldn't help myself. But I don't get that reference. Like what? is 1979 because that wasn't hippie. That wasn't, like, the hippie time. That was, like, we're practically in the, you know, the go-go 80s, right? I feel like Kelly is a product of the 80s, you know? Where no feelings just make money, right? So, this 1979, I don't get it. It wasn't the year she was born because... Maybe it was the year Sesame Street was invented. I really just don't get it. If someone knows what that reference is, because I didn't look it up. Hold on, let me, hold on. Okay, the internet was not helpful, so I don't know. It was probably just random. But anyway, so that's so weird. So she says, feelings are so 1979. And then she says that Bethany always plays the victim and puts others down so she can feel better about herself. And Bethany is like, when do I do that? And Kelly says, well, last year when you said you're a yes person and I'm a no person. And Bethany is like, why do you keep bringing that up? And Kelly says, well, you bring it up. You're always in the press defaming me and my family. And Bethany is like, I've literally never talked to the press about you. I've never talked about your kids at all. She tells us, why would I go to the press about her? Wow. What does it benefit me to talk about her? If I was going to go to the press, I would talk about myself, which, yes, that makes sense. And then Kelly says, no one cares about you, Bethany. You're vindictive, malicious, cunning, deceitful, and it's creepy. And Bethany's like, okay, get away from me. And then Kelly says, you're not a chef, you're a cook. And Bethany's like, I went to culinary school, moron. Which is like, oh, she shouldn't have called her Ramona. And then Kelly calls her a ho-bag because she had previously said she'd had a one-night stand. So, Bethany is like, okay, I'm done with this conversation. So, she leaves and she goes to the Hooters yacht, leaving Sonia and Kelly there together, okay? So, we get there and we see Ramona and she's like literally in her element. She's flirting with all the dudes on the boat and you know she is hammered I mean I can't emphasize this enough how drunk Ramona is that she is just three sheets to the wind but she is heavy flirting and Bethany comes to the boat and and she they're like oh this is our pregnant friend the guy's like okay uh but so she's like And she's flabbergasted. She's trying to tell Alex Ramona what just happened. And Ramona just says, and she slurs this, but it is very poignant. She says that Kelly's just harboring resentment for what happened last year. Yes, obviously. We all know that. So then Sonia and Kelly come onto the boat and Sonia's like, you guys left me with her. And she tells us in a confessional that she feels like she's always the only one that's left with Kelly and that she's been trying to calm her down, but she can't, like it's above her. And Ramona is like, saying, look, I'm just going to shut all this down. Like I can't, I don't want this to be part of my trip. So Ramona says, Kelly, I just want peace. If we can't have peace, then there's going to be issues. And Sonia's in the background and she says this like 15 times. So she says it once, I want to see some Hooters girls. And so Kelly's like, what? I'm cool. I'm fine. Just like, no way. no emotional reaction whatsoever to, like, just five minutes ago, or I don't know what the timeline is, but five minutes ago saying, you're vindictive, malicious, cunning, deceitful, creepy, you're not a chef, a ho-bag, nobody likes you, you always play the victim, whatever else. I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy to just, like, even me saying it, I have an emotional reaction to, More than Kelly. And this happened 15 years ago. Like, what the hell? So then they decide to... leave the Hooters boat, and Bethany, Alex, and Ramona go dancing. And this is where we do get the infamous turtle time. And this is just Ramona just dancing on the boat dock by herself with a glass of Pinot saying turtle time. And so what turtle time, turtle time is now, of course, lives on in infamy, but the bar that they were going to dance was called the something turtle. So that's where she gets the turtle. If you were ever curious about that. Um, and then Sonia and Kelly go back to the yacht and I just, just to, because I think this is an interesting detail, they're kind of piling around in their PJs and Sonia goes into Kelly's room and she's like, it smells like cat pee in here. It So make of that what you will, and that's where the episode ends. So that was the first episode of Scary Island. Now, we haven't got to the actual scary part yet, but you can kind of see where it's going. And I have to be honest, I feel like Kelly did this to herself a little bit. First of all, by going on this trip without any support, And then riding so hard for Jill. I think that was a definite mistake. She should not have done that at all. She should have just let Jill fight her own battles. But we didn't. And so next week we're going to get the next two episodes of Scary Island and then the season finale. So look forward to that. It's heavy. You know, looking back... on it. Scary Island is like, oh, it's fun, exciting. Watching it now, it's heavy. But the good thing is, 14 years, 15 years later, we know that everybody's safe. Nothing permanent happened there. So we can... Take something that happens that is very serious and we can add a little bit of humor to it because we know everybody is okay in the end. But whatever you think about it is iconic. And the fact that Bravo after this was like, you know what, we should have a trip on every season really just goes to show you where the producers are. Not mental health safety of their cast members. But anyway, so that's going to be it for today's episode. Episodes. I hope you guys enjoyed it. Don't forget to recommend me to a friend. As always, follow me on my socials. That's going to be Obsessed by Everything Bravo on Instagram. And just with my name, Meredith Ezra on TikTok. You can always reach out to me at obsessedbybravo at gmail.com. And I can't wait to hear from you. Recommend me to a friend. 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